One Small Step: Alex Kramer and Len Heath on transitioning and cancel culture

In this conversation, Metro Detroiters Alex Kramer and Len Heath chat about values, beliefs and redemption.

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Alex Kramer (left) and Leonard Heath participated in StoryCorps' and WDET's One Small Step.

One Small Step from StoryCorps is a program that brings together people from opposite ends of the political spectrum for a personal conversation. Over this past year, WDET has been collecting conversations — and the results have been fascinating.

In this first featured One Small Step conversation, Alex Kramer (37) and Leonard Heath (45) discuss Alex’s decision to transition, how Len’s politics relate to how he feels about other people and whether Alex feels that “canceling” people is the best way to handle people with whom we disagree.

“If someone is not an active threat to you and your community, then you should not treat them like they are. And if they instead want to become an ally, more allies is a good thing.” — Alex Kramer, One Small Step participant

Hear their full conversation here, and join us for a live listening event on Wednesday, Dec. 21 at noon.

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